10.17.18

Justin McElroy & Sydnee McElroy Chat "The Sawbones" Podcast & Book

In their hit podcast, "Sawbones," Sydnee and Justin McElroy breakdown the weird and wonderful way we got to modern healthcare. And some of the terrifying detours along the way. Every week, Dr. Sydnee McElroy and her husband Justin amaze, amuse and gross out hundreds of thousands of avid listeners to their podcast, "Sawbones." Consistently rated a top podcast on iTunes, with over 15 million total downloads, the McElroys' new book combs through thousands of years of medical mishaps and miracles that are not only hilarious but downright educational. While you may never even consider applying boiled weasel to your forehead (once the height of sophistication when it came to headache cures), you will almost certainly face some questionable medical advice in your everyday life and be better able to figure out if this is a miracle cure or a scam.

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>>> GOODNESS. WHOA. I'LL WAIT. WHOA, INDEED. HELLO. WHAT IS UP? WELCOME TO BUILD. I’M YOUR HOST MATT FORTE. WE ARE HERE LIVE AT THE BUILD STUDIO IN NEW YORK CITY. OUR NEXT GUESTS PODCAST, "SAWBONES" IS THE MOST POPULAR MEDICAL PODCAST ON THE PLANET. THINK OF THAT. IT'S BEEN DOWNLOADED 45 MILLION TIMES SINCE ITS LAUNCH. IN 2017 WON THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS GROUP AWARD FOR THE PROMOTION OF SCIENCE AND REASON IN PODCASTING. NOW THEY SOMEHOW HAVE TAKEN EVERYTHING YOU KNOW AND LOVE ABOUT THE SHOW AND TURNED IT INTO AN AWESOME BOOK. I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, EVEN IF YOU NEVER HEARD THE SHOW, THEY JUST MADE AN AWESOME BOOK, WHICH IS THAT ALONE NOT WORTH CELEBRATING? I THINK IT IS. I'M SUPER EXCITED TO TALK TO THESE TWO. MAKE A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF NOISE AND WELCOME THE AUTHORS BEHIND "THE SAWBONES BOOK," DR. SYDNEE McELROY AND JUSTIN McELROY.

>> I PREFER JIM.

>> JIM, IT IS.

>> FANS OF THE PODCAST, NEW FANS ALIKE. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IT WAS VERY HARD.

>> WE'RE SUPER PROUD.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CARVING OUT SOME TIME TO HANG OUT WITH US. WE HAVE A TON OF FANS. HOW ARE YOU DOING? HOW IS LIFE? HOW IS NEW YORK? HOW ARE THINGS GOING GUYS?

>> NEW YORK IS FANTASTIC. THEY WENT AND SAW "FROZEN.”

>>> TOOK MY DAUGHTER CHARLIE WHO IS FOUR, IT WAS AMAZING.

>> I STAYED IN THE HOTEL ROOM, WATCHED HALF OF "DEADPOOL 2" AND FELL ASLEEP. ITS BEEN A PRETTY BIG TRIP.

>> WITH THE BABY. THERE WAS REASON.

>> I WAS NOT LEFT ALONE. I PUT THE INFANT DOWN WITHOUT SEEING -- ONLY 15 MINUTES OF "DEADPOOL 2," IT GOT BLOODY FOR HER TASTE. SHE SAID I'M GOING TO BED.

>> A LOT OF THE REFERENCES FLY OVER.

>> SHE DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE FIRST ONE. SHE WON'T GET A LOT OF GAGS.

>> YOU CAN'T HOLD IT AGAINST HER.

>> I DID, ACTUALLY. WHERE IS THE DEVOTION? YOU KNOW? I WENT TO THE LATE-NIGHT SCREENING OF LORD OF THE RINGS. IF YOU CARE ABOUT IT, YOU ARE SUPPORTING IT.

>> YOU WEREN'T EIGHT MONTHS OLD.

>> THAT'S FAIR. I WASN'T EIGHT MONTHS OLD. GOOD POINT.

>> BUT YOU WERE THERE. THAT'S WHAT MATTERS.

>> I WAS THERE. I WAS AN ADULT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT. I'M GLAD THE TRIP HAS BEEN AWESOME. I HOPE TO CONTINUE THE AWESOME STREAK. I REALLY AM EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING CAME TOGETHER. LET'S LIVE IN THE NOW, LIVE IN THE MOMENT. HAS IT BEEN SURREAL? HERE WE ARE ONE WEEK REMOVED FROM THE RELEASE OF THIS INCREDIBLE BOOK. IT'S A REAL THING. THERE ARE STACKS OF IT. PEOPLE ARE HOLDING IT. WHAT IS THAT LIKE?

>> IT'S AMAZING. FROM TALKING ABOUT ONE DAY THIS COULD BE A NEAT BOOK, TO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL OBJECT, IT'S AMAZING. IT'S WONDERFUL.

>> OUR AGENT TOLD US TODAY IN CASUAL CONVERSATION THERE ARE 68,000 WORDS, AND IN HINDSIGHT IT SEEMS UNFATHOMABLE TO ME THAT I WROTE HALF OF 68,000 WORDS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WE COULD ONLY WRITE IT BETWEEN 9:00 AND 11:00 WEEKNIGHTS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, WHATEVER IT TOOK TO WRITE IT. IT WAS EXTREMELY SLOW GOING. IT IS WILD TO SEE IT PHYSICALLY MANIFESTED.

>> SO AMAZING. ESPECIALLY HOW MUCH OF YOUR TIME THIS HAS CONSUMED. WHAT YOU DEVOTED TO IT. ONE OF YOUR EARLIEST PODCASTS, THE WHOLE REASON THE PODCAST EXISTS IS BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO WATCH LESS TV IS WHAT YOU SAY IN THE BOOK. GRANTED YOU ENDED UP WATCHING A LOT LESS “TWO AND A HALF MEN” BUT YOU LOST A LOT OF TIME TO RESEARCH AND ALL OF THIS. I WOULD SAY THAT'S A FAIR TRADE. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW THIS FAR DOWN THE ROAD?

>> OUR FIRST SHOW WAS A SHOW -- A REVIEW SHOW OF “TWO AND A HALF MEN” BY PEOPLE WHO HAD NOT WATCHED IT UNTIL ASHTON KUTCHER JOINED THE SHOW. IT WAS CALLED “LOSING THE SHEEN,” WHICH IS GREAT TITLE. WE MADE IT NINE EPISODES IN BEFORE WE LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND SAID I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THIS SHOW ANYMORE. WE DID THE GENERAL TV PODCAST CALLED SATELLITE DISH. THEN WE WERE JUST WATCHING TOO MUCH TV. WE'RE LIKE WE'RE WATCHING TV TO TALK ABOUT ON THE PODCAST. THEN WE TALKED ABOUT SYDNEE'S INTERESTS WHICH IS OLD MEDICAL ANTIQUITY.

>> IT WAS FUN TO MAKE USE OF THE EXPERTISE I HAD. I WENT TO SCHOOL ALL THESE YEARS AND WRACKED UP THIS DEBT TO BE A PHYSICIAN. I SHOULD DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. WE DON'T LEARN A LOT ABOUT MEDICAL HISTORY. IT WAS SOMETHING I READ DID IN MY SPARE TIME. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A BETTER USE OF OUR TIME. WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF AND I'LL FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.

>> IT'S SO CRAZY IT WAS ONLY FIVE YEARS AGO, GIVE OR TAKE, THAT YOU STARTED THE "SAWBONES” JOURNEY.

>> 2013.

>> IT'S WHILE TO UTTER THE PHRASE THE LARGEST MEDICAL PODCAST ON THE PLANET.

>> YEAH.

>> QUITE A JOURNEY. BETWEEN THE BEGINNING AND NOW, DID YOU REALIZE THIS WAS TAKING OFF? THIS WAS WHAT WAS RESONATING? PEOPLE WOULD INTO THIS PODCAST?

>> WHEN WAS IT FOR YOU? FOR ME IT WAS WHEN WE HAD MARY ROACHE ON THE SHOW.

>> THAT WAS BIG.

>> I THINK IT'S WHEN THE HATE MAIL STARTED.

>> THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

>> THAT'S TRUE. JUSTIN KIND OF KNEW WHAT WE WERE DOING IN TERMS OF DOWNLOADS, I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

>> IT'S JUST ABOUT THE ART FOR SYDNEE. SHE DOESN'T GET HUNG UP ON NUMBERS.

>> I ENJOY DOING IT. IF FIVE PEOPLE LISTENED AND LOVED IT, IT WAS WORTH IT. PEOPLE WILL ARE POSITIVE, THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT. MAN, WHEN THEY DON'T LIKE SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY, WAY MORE PEOPLE LET YOU KNOW THAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN Y'ALL TALK ABOUT FLUORIDE ON THE SHOW. BE CAREFUL ABOUT A PRO FLUORIDE MESSAGE. PEOPLE ARE AGGRAVATED ABOUT FLUORIDE.

>> THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE MOMENT. FLUORIDE. I WAS LIKE, WOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LISTENING.

>> I SAT BACK AND LISTENED WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DRILLING HOLES IN PEOPLES HEADS, DRINKING YOUR OWN POOP FOR SCIENTIFIC TESTING, BUT FLUORIDE? COME ON. IT'S GOVERNMENT POISON.

>> WE TAKE A LOT OF FIRM STANCES ON BUILD, WE HAVE BEEN GRAY ON FLUORIDE. YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH THE FLUORIDE CAMP.

>> YOU HAVE YOUR KIDS TO CONSIDER HERE.

>> THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH BULLETPROOF GLASS CAN CONTAIN.

>> THEY DO HAVE A WEAKNESS?

>> WHAT?

>> THE TEETH.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> RIGHT THERE.

>> IT'S RIGHT THERE.

>> GLASS JAWS.

>> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. ONE REASON THIS THINGS WORKS SO WELL IS YOU TWO ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. YOUR INTERACTIONS ARE WONDERFUL. YOUR CHEMISTRY IS GREAT. IT'S A JOY TO LISTEN TO YOU GUYS. WHEN THOUGH YOU KNEW YOU WANTED TO MAKE A BOOK FROM THE EARLY STAGES, HOW DOES ONE TRANSLATE THAT TONE AND THE VIBE OF THE COMICAL SIDE AND THIS INTERESTING INFORMATION AND BRING THAT TOGETHER? WAS THAT CHALLENGING FOR YOU GUYS? WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

>> I THINK WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT ON VACATION WITH SYDNEE'S SISTER TAYLOR. SHE DID ALL THE ILLUSTRATIONS FOR THE BOOK. WE KNEW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONCEPTS WE TALK ABOUT, A VISUAL ELEMENT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN COMMUNICATING THAT INFORMATION. WE HAD DONE THIS IN PODCAST FORM. BUT A LOT OF IT IS HAVING THAT VISUAL ELEMENT TO IT, WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BRING A LOT TO IT. TRANSLATING THAT WAS THE BIG THING OF LET'S BRING THE VISUAL ASPECT TO THIS STUFF THAT WE HAVE COVERED.

>> THAT AND THEN TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO PUT TWO VOICES IN THE BOOK. THAT WAS IMPORTANT. YOU CAN READ A LOT ABOUT THE STUFF THAT WE TALK ABOUT. THERE ARE OTHER BOOKS THAT DETAIL SOME MEDICAL HISTORY BUT THE MAGIC OF THE SHOW IS THE BACK AND FORTH. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY COMBINE OUR VOICES INTO ONE. THAT -- WE TRIED THAT. IT WASN'T GREAT.

>> DIDN'T WORK OUT.

>> NO, IT DIDN'T WORK OUT.

>> WE DID ALTERNATING WORDS, WHICH IN HINDSIGHT THAT WILL NEVER COME TOGETHER.

>> SO THE INTRUSIONS FROM US THROUGHOUT THE BOOK THAT GIVE YOU THE FLAVOR OF WHAT THE SHOW IS AND WHY IT WORKS. THEN COMBINED WITH THE WAY WE WROTE IT. I KIND OF STARTED OUT OUTLINING THE CHAPTERS, HERE'S THE GENERAL INFORMATION, JUST LIKE WE WOULD IN THE SHOW. HERE ARE THE THINGS I WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT, JUSTIN. HE WOULD INSERT JOKES IN THERE.

>> I WOULD GO BACK IN THERE AND FART. BONER.

>> GREEN BUBBLE AROUND THAT. WE'RE DONE. NEXT PAGE.

>> THAT'S IT.

>> PRINT IT.

>> WERE THERE THINGS -- OKAY. SO WE REVEALED THAT THE VOICE WAS ONE OF THEM. YOU TRIED YOUR OWN VOICE. WERE THERE THINGS THAT YOU KNEW FROM DAY ONE THAT HAD TO BE A PART OF THIS BOOK AND THINGS THAT YOU FOUND WORKING ON IT? THINGS YOU FOUND ALONG THE WAY? AND SAY LET’S PUT THAT IN?

>> WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DRILL DOWN ON -- WE TEND TO DO SORT OF SURVEYS THAT START AT THE BEGINNING OF TIME, AND THEN GO TO THE CURRENT DAY. I THINK WHAT WE WANTED TO DRILL DOWN ON FOR THE BOOK ARE THE STORIES. LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL STORIES THAT REALLY HAVE THAT HUMAN ELEMENT THAT YOU CAN CONNECT TO AND ARE REALLY THE MOST IMPACTFUL. SKIPPING OVER SOME OF THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE STUFF TO TELL THE REALLY IMPORTANT STORIES THAT ILLUSTRATED OUR POINT WAS BIG FOR US.

>> THEN WE FOUND WAYS THROUGH DIFFERENT FORMATS, BECAUSE THERE'S THE ARTICLES AND SPREADS, HEROES OF MISGUIDED MEDICINE, THINGS LIKE THAT TO COMMUNICATE MORE OF THE HERE'S ONE SHOT, ONE WILD THING WE USED TO DO. OR THIS FIGURE FROM MEDICAL HISTORY WHO DID THIS CRAZY THING, AND MOVING ON.

>> THE FORMAT THAT WE HAVE IS VERY -- LIKE SHE SAID, ARTICLE -- LIKE A MAGAZINE FORMAT, WHERE WE'LL HAVE A CHAPTER THAT'S FAIRLY STRAIGHT UP, JUST THE TEXT TELLING THE STORY, THEN WE'LL HAVE -- WE HAVE THIS GREAT TWO-PAGE DIAGRAM THAT TAYLOR DID THAT WE WROTE, TAYLOR ILLUSTRATED IT, IT'S A WALK THROUGH ON HOW TO STEAL A CORPSE. SO YOU HAVE A HANDY GUIDE RIGHT THERE.

>> DON'T DO THAT.

>> DON'T DO IT. WHICH CAMERA SHOULD I WINK AT?

>> TWO HAS GOT YOU.

>> TWO. I WILL WINK AT ALL OF THEM.

>> JUST SAY DON'T.

>> DON'T DO IT.

>> THAT'S LEGALLY BINDING.

>> A BIG PART OF HISTORY IS BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN'T GET SUED FOR GIVING MEDICAL ADVICE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DING-DONGS FROM 1,000 YEARS AGO DID.

>> THAT HELPS THE CASE. I WAS THINKING OF THIS EARLIER, WHEN YOU SAID IT, YOU WORKED IN THE MEDIUM, YOU HAD PODCAST FOREVER, ONCE YOU STARTED INTRODUCING THE VISUAL MEDIUM, DID IT MAKE SOME OF THE STUFF MORE REAL? SOME OF THE STORIES MORE LIKE, OH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. THAT'S WHAT THAT DID.

>> WAS THAT TOUGH FOR YOU? I MEAN, I KIND OF HAD TO FIND WAYS TO DESCRIBE THIS STUFF TO JUSTIN ANY WAY. I THINK A LOT ABOUT THAT. WHAT'S A GOOD METAPHOR FOR A FISTULA? WAS IT UPSETTING?

>> WERE SOME MOMENTS ON THE PODCAST. I HAVE ANXIETY. IT WAS BAD DURING SOME PERIODS OF THE SHOW. THERE WERE SOME TIMES WHEN SYDNEE WAS TALKING ABOUT PANDEMIC TYPE THINGS, OR VERY -- ANYTHING WITH RATS. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT. THE POOP STUFF. I WOULD KIND OF JUST -- SHE WOULD BE TALKING, I WOULD BE NODDING, BUT IN MY HEAD I'M LIKE CLOUDS. SUNSHINE. A PEACEFUL OASIS.

>> AND PART OF THE BEAUTY OF TAYLOR'S ART, SHE'S DETAILED.

>> QUITE.

>> IT'S ALL THERE. IN ITS BEAUTIFUL, GROTESQUE GLORY, EVERYTHING WE DESCRIBE SHE'S GOOD AT EVERY LAST DETAIL.

>> ALMOST TOO GOOD, SOME MIGHT SAY. SOME FANS HAVE WEIGHED IN. ME. SAID TOO MUCH.

>> I WAS -- YOU GUYS DID AN EPISODE ON MEDICAL ILLUSTRATIONS. WERE YOU INSPIRED THROUGH WORKING ON THIS BOOK TO GO DEEPER INTO THE HISTORY OF MEDICAL ILLUSTRATIONS? IS THAT WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS A BIG PART OF IT. ILLUSTRATIONS THAT TAYLOR DID IN THE BOOK AND JUST IMAGES FROM MEDICAL HISTORY. AS I WAS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE USED TO DRAW THE BODY, I WAS THINKING WHY DID WE -- THIS IS A TERRIBLE DIAGRAM. THIS WOULD NOT HELP ANYONE. HOW DID WE -- WHERE DID WE COME UP WITH THESE IDEAS? THAT'S WHERE THAT IDEA CAME FROM. I NEED TO LOOK INTO WHY WE WERE SO BAD AT THIS.

>> IT WAS AN INNOVATION TO DRAW LINES FROM THE NAME OF THE THING TO THE THING. THAT WAS A MOMENT. OH, I CAN SEE WHAT THE LUNGS ARE FOR NOW.

>> LOVE IT.

>> McSTEAMY, McDREAMY.

>> IS THAT THE GENESIS FOR A LOT OF THE STUFF, YOUR --

>> "GREY'S ANATOMY"?

>> YEAH.

>> DO YOU COMB THROUGH THE EPISODES OF "GREY'S ANATOMY"? NO. BUT YOUR GENERAL CURIOSITY?

>> THAT'S ONE BIG PART FOR SURE. THE OTHER, I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO OUR LISTENERS. THEY E-MAIL CONSTANTLY WITH IDEAS AND TOPICS. USUALLY AT THE TOP OF EACH SHOW I'M THANKING ALL THE PEOPLE I CAN FIND WHO RECOMMENDED THE TOPIC. I ALWAYS FEEL BAD BECAUSE PEOPLE TWEET, FACEBOOK, AND OUR LEARNS GIVE ME TONS OF IDEAS. ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENT I TRY TO -- IF IT CONNECTS TO MEDICAL HISTORY I TRY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> THE THING I WONDERED ABOUT, AFTER FIVE YEARS OF DOING THIS, HOW HAS ALL OF THIS KNOWLEDGE -- IT'S A TON OF CONTEXT TO APPLY TO YOUR PRESENT DAY CRAFT AND KNOWLEDGE. WHAT INFLUENCES HAS IT HAD ON YOU AS A FAMILY DOCTOR AND DOCTOR?

>> SURE. IT HELPS ME A LOT IN THAT I SEE ALL THE WAYS THROUGHOUT HISTORY THAT WE'VE DONE STUFF WRONG. HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN US TO GET WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHICH IS STILL -- WE STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED EVERYTHING OUT. WE STILL HAVE MANY THINGS WE'RE CLUELESS AND IN THE DARK ABOUT AND NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH AND FIGURE OUT. I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT UNCERTAINTY AND WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT SCIENCE IS A PROCESS. MEDICINE IS A PROTEST. MY JOB IS TO GIVE YOU THE BEST ADVICE I HAVE NOW, AND TO HELP YOU HAVE THE BEST LIFE THAT YOU CAN WITH THE INFORMATION WE GOT AND MAKE SURE I'M STEERING YOU TOWARDS GOOD INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD FOR THE FUTURE AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT GRAY ZONE TO SAY I DON'T KNOW. HERE'S WHAT I DO KNOW UNTIL I FIGURED MORE STUFF OUT.

>> JUSTIN, HOW UNQUALIFIED DO YOU FEEL NOW?

>> IT'S VERY DANGEROUS TO ME. EVEN SOME OF IT -- SYDNEE HAS A HABIT OF -- IF I TRY SOMETHING NEW, MAYBE DARE I SAY CUTTING EDGE, LIKE A CBD OIL, ELDERBERRY OR SOMETHING FOR A COLD, SYDNEE HAS A BAD HABIT OF ME TELLING HER, HEY, I'M TRYING THIS. YEAH? HOLD ON A SECOND. EPISODE ABOUT JUSTIN'S BULL CRAP, IT'S NOT REAL. COMPLETELY DOGGING ME FOR A WHOLE EPISODE.

>> THAT'S THE IMPETUS TO MANY THINGS.

>> THERE'S A GENUINE CURE FOR THE PLACEBO EFFECT, IT'S CALLED BE MARRIED TO SYDNEE. SHE ALLOWS NONE OF IT IN OUR HOME.

>> THAT'S THE OTHER THING PEOPLE RESPOND TO. HOW OPEN YOU ARE, WHAT YOU SHARE. YOU TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING ON THE PODCAST. I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT AN ENTIRE EPISODE ABOUT YOUR VASECTOMY.

>> YEAH.

>> YOU'RE AN OPEN BOOK.

>> NOT ANYMORE. I'M CLOSED FOR BUSINESS.

>> WELL DONE. DID THAT TAKE YOU TIME TO FIND THAT COMFORT? DO YOU JUST RIGHT AWAY EMBRACE THE AUDIENCE? THEY LOVE US, WE LOVE THEM, HERE IS MY VASECTOMY STORY.

>> IT'S AN INTIMATE THING. IT'S OUR BODIES. IT'S LIFE AND DEATH. IF WE HAVE RELEVANT -- LIKE WHEN OUR DAUGHTER WAS BORN. SHE SPENT A WEEK IN THE NICU, INTO THE NEONATAL INTENSIVE CARE UNIT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE SPENT A WEEK IN THERE. IT WAS A VERY TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE. AND IT WAS A MEDICAL EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAD. IT SEEMED WEIRD TO NOT LIKE -- WE HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY LETTERS FROM LISTENERS ABOUT WHAT THE SHOW HAS MEANT TO THEM. AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE GONE INTO MEDICINE AS A RESULT OF LISTENING TO THE SHOW. FOR THEM TO SHARE THAT WITH US, FOR US TO KEEP CLOSED DOORS ABOUT STUFF LIKE THAT SEEMED WEIRD. WE ALWAYS SORT OF SHARED SOME MEDICAL THING THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN OUR LIVES.

>> I THINK THAT THE MORE THAT I REALIZE PEOPLE ARE LISTENING, THE MORE I FELT COMPELLED AND KIND OF A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT. WE DID AN EPISODE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND KIND OF SHARED SOME OF OUR OWN VERY PERSONAL MEDICAL HISTORIES AND STRUGGLES. I FEEL LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD. PEOPLE ARE LISTENING, TO TRY TO DESTIGMATIZE, THE BEST WAY DO THAT IS TO BE HONEST AND BE OPEN. THAT'S HARD. IT'S EASIER FOR YOU THAN ME.

>> I DON'T CARE. I DON'T. I'VE BEEN DOING PODCASTS FOR TEN YEARS. I HAVE SO LITTLE OF MY LIFE THAT I HAVE NOT CONTORTED INTO HUMOR, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO ME, I'M LIKE, OH, AN EXPERIENCE! HA. EXCELLENT. LET ME MINE THIS FOR A PUN. IT'S A SAD EXISTENCE. THANK YOU FOR LIVING, BECAUSE INSIDE I'M CRYING.

>> BUT YOU DELIVER IT IN SUCH A CHEERFUL WAY.

>> THAT'S THE DRUGS, MAN.

>> THERE IT IS.

>> THAT'S MY NEW CHARACTER.

>> HE DOESN'T.

>> THE GUY WHO KNOWS WHERE TO OBTAIN DRUGS.

>> I DON'T LIKE THIS CHARACTER.

>> I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO THE WORKSHOP.

>> ARE YOU -- I SAW YOU GUYS -- I HAVE TO THROW IT TO THE AUDIENCE IN A BIT, WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE. YOU'RE ALSO DOING A SIGNING TONIGHT S THAT RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> SOMEWHERE THAT HAPPENING?

>> BARNES AND NOBLE IN TRIBECA FROM 6:00 TO 9:00. COME ON OUT.

>> FANTASTIC. YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S GO TO THE AUDIENCE. YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF AWESOME FANS HERE. LET'S START IN THE FRONT.

>> HELLO.

>> HI.

>> FIRST OFF, AMAZING PODCAST.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MY QUESTION WAS WHEN WRITING THE BOOK, WHAT WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING TO WRITE ABOUT? WHETHER IT WAS CONCEPTUALLY THE HARDEST OR THE MOST DISGUSTING THING.

>> ANYTHING THAT HAD A LOT OF DATES AND NAMES. LIKE GOING BACK -- NOBODY WILL FACT CHECK A PODCAST, MAYBE RADIO LAB, NOT US. WE CAN SAY ANYTHING. BUT YOU PUT SOMETHING IN A BOOK, YOU GOT TO CHECK IT. YOU CAN'T LIE. PEOPLE WILL KNOW. SO ANY FACTS THAT PEOPLE COULD BUST YOU ON, THAT WAS HARD FOR ME.

>> WELL, I WOULD SAY -- OKAY. WE DO FACT CHECK OUR PODCAST. DON'T SAY THAT WE DON'T. I DON'T FACT CHECK OUR PODCAST.

>> EVERYTHING WE SAY IS TRUE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO RESEARCH THAT. I HAVE A SCIENCE BRAIN, NOT A HISTORY BRAIN SO DATES, TIMES, FIGURES GET MUDDLED IN THERE. SO THAT WAS HARDER TO KEEP IT ALTOGETHER, GET MY DUCKS IN A ROW THERE. NOTHING IS TOO GROSS. FOR ME NOTHING IS TOO GROSS. WHAT ABOUT SPIT?

>> WE DON'T TALK A LOT ABOUT SPIT IN THE BOOK.

>> EXACTLY. EXACTLY.

>> WHY IS THAT?

>> IT'S GROSS.

>> SPIT IS THE LIMIT FOR SYDNEE.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

>> I LOVE HOW MUCH OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS ON THE PODCAST AND HERE IS YOU BACKPEDALING JUSTIN'S JOKES TO MAKE SURE, WE CHECK EVERYTHING. DID YOU GUYS STRUGGLE AT ALL WITH MAKING SURE -- YOU COVER SOME STUFF FROM THE PODCAST, YOU GO DEEPER INTO THEM. PHINEAS GAGE IS ONE OF THEM. IT'S IN LIKE TWO-THIRDS OF ALL PSYCHOLOGY BOOKS. DID YOU STRUGGLE AT ALL WHAT ARE WE BRINGING TO THE TABLE THAT'S FRESH ABOUT THIS STORY?

>> THAT DEFINITELY WAS A BIG CHALLENGE. IT'S A CHALLENGE WITH THE PODCAST AND MORE SO WITH THE BOOK. IF A STORY IS TOLD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, HOW DO WE TELL IT IN AN ORIGINAL WAY. YOU CAME UP WITH THE IDEA WITH THAT ONE.

>> I TURNED THAT INTO A TALL TALE SORT OF THING. IT'S SO AN OLD PROSPECTRY NARRATOR TELLING THE STORY OF THIS DUDE -- HE GOT A TAMPING ROD, WORKING ON A LINE, GOT A TAMPING ROD BLASTED THROUGH HIS BRAIN AND WAS FINE, FOR A WHILE. HE DID DIE LATER. HE WAS BASICALLY FINE.

>> YEAH. THAT AND WE SEE THESE WEIRD SPINS ON THE STORIES. ANOTHER ONE WAS THE CHRONIC GASTRIC FISTULA. THERE WAS A GUY, THEY HAD THIS ON AGAIN AND OFF AGAIN SCIENTIFIC RELATIONSHIP THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES, THIS DOCTOR WANTED TO DO EXPERIMENTS ON HIM, HE WAS LIKE, MAYBE NOT TODAY. THIS IS MAKING ME SICK. I'LL LEAVE FOR A YEAR. HE WOULD WRITE LETTERS TO HIM, PLEASE COME BACK. LET ME EXPERIMENT ON YOU AGAIN. WE SAW IT AS A LOVE STORY. THAT WAS OUR TAKE ON IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, BUT IT COULD BE.

>> YEAH.

>> WE HAVE TWO MORE. NEXT ONE FROM RIGHT HERE.

>> HI. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU'VE DONE SOME VOICE WORK BEFORE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD ANY MORE PLANS TO DO VOICE WORK IN THE FUTURE AND IF YOU WOULD EVER GET INVOLVED IN DOING VOICE WORK.

>> I DON'T KNOW. DOES ANYBODY WANT ME TO?

>> I DO. I THINK SYDNEE SHOULD BE IN EVERYTHING. I WILL BE IN THE MOVIE TROLLS WORLD TOUR. [ APPLAUSE ]

>> THANK YOU. IDEA TO BE DECIDED ROLE THAT WE RECORDED AT THIS POINT. NOW WE'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE -- NOT IF WE GET CUT FROM THE FILM BUT WHEN. THAT'S NEXT ON THE HORIZON.

>> I WOULD. I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS ALL -- THIS IS STILL WEIRD FOR ME. I REALLY -- MY CAREER PLAN WAS TO BE A DOCTOR. AND EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED WITH THE PODCAST AND THE BOOK, IT'S STILL SURREAL. SURE IF SOMEBODY CALLED ME, YEAH, PROBABLY. PROBABLY.

>> AWESOME. TIME FOR ONE MORE. IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT HERE IN THE FRONT.

>> HI, I'M EMILY. I WANT TO HEAR THE HIGHLIGHT OF GETTING THIS BOOK PUBLISHED AND THE WORST EXPERIENCE OF WRITING, THE PUBLISHING PROCESS.

>> I WOULD SAY THE HIGHLIGHT IS DEFINITELY GETTING IT. LIKE? GETTING THE BOOK, SEEING IT PHYSICALLY. BEING ABLE TO HOLD IT. LOOK AT IT. SO MUCH OF IT FEELS LIKE IT WAS WRITTEN BY OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH IN THERE AND WE WORKED ON IT FOR SO LONG. BEING ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THAT AGAIN.

>> WHEN WE RECEIVED OUR FIRST READER COPY, IT WAS AMAZING. THAT WAS AN AMAZING MOMENT.

>> LOW LIGHT? THERE WERE DEFINITELY -- HERE'S THE LOW LIGHT. THE BIRTH OF OUR SECOND DAUGHTER --

>> WAIT.

>> LET ME FINISH. HOLD ON.

>> SHE'S RIGHT BACK THERE.

>> HI. HI, COOPER. NO. IT WAS THE BIRTH OF OUR SECOND DAUGHTER. WE WERE BEHIND ON OUR DEADLINES. WE HAD A SECOND BABY. THERE WAS A MOMENT WE'RE LIKE WHO WILL WRITE THIS BOOK? LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT SYDNEE, ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE THE BOOK? ARE YOU? NO. WHO IS GOING TO WRITE THIS BOOK.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE THINKING. I KEPT SAYING I'LL BE ON MATERNITY LEAVE. JUSTIN HAS PATERNITY LEAVE.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU GO ON MATERNITY LEAVE? YOU CAN'T DO THINGS. YOU CAN'T DO WORK.

>> THIS WAS OUR SECOND KID. I KNEW THIS.

>> IT WAS JUST AFTER THE HOLIDAYS WHEN WE TREATED OURSELVES OFF FROM THE BOOK. THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE BABY, WE WERE LIKE WE KNOW THIS IS AROUND THE CORNER. SO WE WERE A COUPLE MONTHS BEHIND ON THE BOOK. THAT WAS SOME FUN TIMES TRYING TO STAY UP PAST OUR BEDTIMES TO FINISH THE BOOK. ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH, THERE'S A POINT YOU'RE LIKE I'M TOO DEEP TO QUIT. THERE'S SO MUCH LEFT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. THAT WAS DARK. IT'S DONE NOW. THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING.

>> DAMN STRAIGHT IT IS, IT'S INCREDIBLE. YOU NAILED IT. THAT'S A HELL OF A STORY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. I HAVE TO LET YOU GO. YOU HAVE A TON OF STUFF TO DO. BEFORE I DO, THE BOOK IS OUT NOW. GET IT EVERYWHERE YOU GET BOOKS. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

>> BOOKS.

>> YOU CAN TELL I DO THIS FOR A LIVING. I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HANGING OUT WITH US. I HAVE TO CONGRATULATE A MILLION TIMES OVER. LAST THING I'LL SAY, THIS BOOK IS FUN TO READ WITH BOOKS. THE FORMAT LENDS ITSELF TO THAT, GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING. IT'S A GOOD PARTY BOOK. I DON'T KNOW IF I GET TO SAY PARTY BOOK OFTEN. WE WERE HAVING A BLAST WITH IT DOWNSTAIRS READING THROUGH STUFF. JUST PICK UP A COPY OF THIS DAMN THING. CONGRATULATIONS. MAKE SOME NOISE FOR DR. SYDNEE McELROY AND JUSTIN McELROY. [ APPLAUSE ]

Monét X Change w/ Dr. Ruth

Now we all know that Monét is not shy when it comes to talking about sex. So who else better for her to chat with than the adorable, groundbreaking sex therapist, Dr. Ruth? Check out what advice she gave Monét, the audience and see if you can spot an adult toy when you see one! 🤔 (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

John Elway

This Hall of Famer's hands are responsible for some of the best plays NFL fans have ever seen. The one and only John Elway joined us to talk about the league, its latest trends and his mission to raise awareness about the hand condition, Dupuytren's contracture. Be sure to watch. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Matt Bettinelli-Olpin, Samara Weaving, Mark O'Brien, Andie MacDowell, Tyler Gillett & Chad Villella

Dark comedies are always hard to pull off, but these fine folks definitely delivered with "Ready or Not." It's thrilling, funny and keeps you on the edge of your seat! Hear how much fun Samara Weaving, Mark O'Brien, Andie MacDowell and the creators had filming the movie. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

A$AP Ferg

There's no one in the music game that sounds quite like this man! A$AP Ferg is not only moving music forward, but the culture. If you truly ride with The Mob, don't miss our conversation with the multi-platinum artist. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Valerie Bertinelli

Isn't she lovely? The answer is yes! 😊 We had a pleasure chatting with Valerie Bertinelli about her role on the popular Food Network show, "The Kids Baking Championship." She also told us what we can expect from her new show, "Family Restaurant Rivals." (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Lela Loren

We've loved Lela Loren in "Power" for 5 seasons and we can't wait to see what's in store for her character, Angela, in this final season. BUT we're not ready to let go! 🤧 So we definitely appreciated every second of our talk with her. You will too! (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Chris Sullivan

We had a blast talking to the loveable and Emmy-nominated Chris Sullivan, aka Toby from NBC's "This is Us." We went over the show's biggest storylines and memorable moments so far. See what details he gave us about the highly-anticipated fourth season. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Monét X Change w/ Dyllon Burnside

Words cannot express how fierce this photo is! 😩🤩If this picture didn't give it away, we had quite the time with "Pose's" Dyllón Burnside. Both Dyllón and Monét blessed us with vocals, dance moves and answered some very salacious questions. 😏Did Monét find her soulmate in Dyllón? Find out! (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Lee Pace

It was truly a pleasure to sit down and chat with Lee Pace! 😊From his role as Ronan in the Marvel Cinematic Universe to the dance battles on the set of "Driven," we talked everything with the talented actor. Watch!  (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Kirsten Dunst

You know Kirsten Dunst from "Woodshock," "The Beguiled," "Spider-Man," "Jumanji" and countless other great projects. But trust us when we say you're going to love her in the Showtime series, "On Becoming a God in Central Florida." Tune in to our chat with her about her work on the show. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Algee Smith

Why are all these "Euphoria" actors are so easy on the eyes and insightful?! 🙌 Clearly, Algee Smith is no exception. The socially conscious actor told us what attracted him to the hit HBO show, what's going on with his music and more.  (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Alison Brie, Marc Maron & Betty Gilpin

Can you think of a better trio?! 😍And don't let these looks fool you, these three can tussle, as seen on their hit Netflix show, "GLOW." 💪 How has the show evolved in season 3? What's next for our favorite characters? Stars Alison Brie, Betty Gilpin and Marc Maron answered all these questions and more. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Brian Austin Green

We are so happy to see Brian Austin Green return to the role of David Silver on the FOX reboot, "BH90210!" But we were even happier to have the opportunity to sit down and chat with him about the show. Find out how he felt coming back to "Beverly Hills" and his 90's castmates. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Adam Brody

It's been a while since "The O.C." came to an end but our love for Adam Brody hasn't waned at all, so we were happy to have him stop by! Check out what he had to say about his work on the thriller, "Ready or Not," a possible "The O.C." return and more. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Billy Crudup, Cate Blanchett, Emma Nelson, Richard Linklater, Zoe Chao & Troian Bellisario

This ensemble is everything! 🥰These lovely people brought their talents to the movie based on the popular book of the same name, "Where'd You Go, Bernadette." Watch the cast and director describe their time on-set and what they enjoyed about their characters. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Marti Gould Cummings w/ Ritchie Torres

While Monét was off somewhere being fabulous, we couldn't think of anyone better to hold it down than Marti Gould Cummings! Our favorite drag queen politician filled us in on the latest in politics, chatted with Congressional candidate Ritchie Torres and even called a senator live! Tune in for a spin on politics you won't find anywhere else. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Whitney Cummings

Telling it how it is is part of Whitney Cummings' hilarious charm and we love her for it! ❤️ From sex robots to gender dynamics in today's society, Cummings touches on everything worth talking about in her latest Netflix special. Check out our time with the comedian. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Greg Kinnear, Justin Brooks, Sherri Shepherd & Brian Banks

Certain stories are hard to hear, but they MUST be told. Brian Banks' story is, unfortunately, one of those. Greg Kinnear, Sherri Shepherd, Justin Brooks and Banks himself came to speak on the film based on the injustice that he suffered. Be sure to watch. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Billy Crudup, Abby Quinn, Julianne Moore & Bart Freundlich on "After the Wedding" on BUILD Series

Some of the best in the business today! We had a wonderful discussion with the lovely folks behind the film, "After the Wedding." Tune in to see what stars Julianne Moore, Billy Crudup, Abby Quinn and director Bart Freundlich had to say. (Photo Credit: BUILD /BUILD )

Shia LaBeouf, Zack Gottsagen & Dakota Johnson

Wow, what a group! 😍Shia LaBeouf, Dakota Johnson and Zack Gottsagen became family after their time working on the touching adventure drama, "The Peanut Butter Falcon." Find out what each of them cherished most about the film and working with each other. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Jerry O'Connell

Jerry O'Connell is a one-man show and quite the entertainer! 🤣It's truly no surprise that he's been given his own daytime show, "Jerry O." Find out what guests he wants on his show and what reality series he can't get enough of. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Marlon Wayans

He may be hilarious but, like his first Netflix special suggests, Marlon Wayans is woke too! Don't miss our great conversation with the comedian about his Netflix movie, "Sextuplets," what's next for him and if there's a "White Chicks 2" on the way. 👀 (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Milo Ventimiglia, Amanda Seyfried (& Kevin Costner)

The three lovely stars of the touching new film, "The Art of Racing in the Rain,"...Kevin Costner was there in spirit! 😩Watch as Milo Ventimiglia, Amanda Seyfried and director Simon Curtis rave about filming together and working with the adorable dogs. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Tori Spelling & Jennie Garth

The 90210 gang is back! 🙌 But this time viewers will see quite a different spin to our favorite 90's California residents. Tori Spelling and Jennie Garth gave us details on what we can expect in and from the highly-anticipated FOX series, "BH90210."

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Monét X Change w/ Pam Wiznitzer

Hot girl summer is in full effect 👏 👏...but a little shade never hurt anybody. 😏Monet gave some fortunate souls priceless advice on health and wellness, said farewell to "Orange is the New Black" with star Reema Sampat and so much more. Do yourself a favor and watch! (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Willa Ford

What a photo! 😧 But there's more to Willa Ford than meets the eye, because as good as she is at posing for a pic, she's just as good at flipping houses! You can see her in her element alongside Scott Disick in the new E! series, "Flip It Like Disick." Get a sneak peek! (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Hannah Brown

Isn't her smile just contagious? 😁 The lovely Hannah Brown, from the unforgettable season 15 of ABC's "The Bachelorette," came back to BUILD to open up about her journey on the show. From the ups and downs she experienced to what's next for her, don't miss everything we covered! (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

Ann Curry

There aren't too many people as wholesome as the great journalist and even better person, Ann Curry. On her latest project, TNT's "Chasing the Cure," she's helping to solve some of the world's biggest medical mysteries. Find out how you can get involved and help the cause. (Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Logan Browning, Ashley Blaine Featherson, Justin Simien & Antoinette Robertson

Too much talent and beauty in one photo! 😍Smart, funny, dramatic, "Dear White People" is everything you want in a show. To break down how the Netflix series has evolved, we sat down with Justin Simien, Logan Browning, Ashley Blaine Featherson and Antoinette Robertson. Check it out.

(Photo Credit: Noam Galai /BUILD )

Andrew Polec & Christina Bennington

Keep calm and 🤘on! 😝Imagine how much fun it would be bringing Meat Loaf's one of a kind journey to life. Well, Andrew Polec and Christina Bennington get to do just that! Watch as the "Bat Out of Hell" stars rave about working on the hit musical and alongside the composer Jim Steinman. (Photo Credit: Mike Pont /BUILD )

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